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Well, I got out of bed and I hear you did.
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna say you were the way I was, not the way you weren't. You weren't no.
Speaker 1:But you know what? It's time for another episode of who's Driving. Welcome to who's Driving. I'm Wesley Turner.
Speaker 2:And I'm Stephen Merck. We're two best friends in entrepreneurship.
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Speaker 2:One of the stories we share and topics we discuss is two best friends would on a long road trip.
Speaker 1:Along the way, we'll check in with friends and offer a wide range of informative topics centered around running small businesses, social media and all things home and garden.
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Speaker 1:You never know who's driving or where we're headed. All we know is it's always a fun ride and on this week's episode we have a hitchhiker coming along we do, Coming up here in a minute. We're going to have Joy Haney from Simply Joy Soaps coming up and we're going to be talking about. I got a kind of not really a controversial question in my box but talking about, just to honest. Yeah, someone wanted Honest feedback About influencers the good, the bad, the ugly so we're going to dive into that a little bit.
Speaker 2:We'll share our opinions.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's all going to be coming up. It's good to approach from different sides because we kind of work or I work on both sides. We've worked with influencers. I've been the influencer. We'll talk. We'll talk all about.
Speaker 2:There's all. There's good, the good, the bad and the ugly To everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, before we get there, I thought I would first remind you that, well, our birthday month is coming up. But more in particularly, I thought I would remind you More in what Good.
Speaker 2:Okay, we're here at Rewide. What the hell was that word? More in what?
Speaker 1:I don't know. I don't know what.
Speaker 2:Good Lord help us in, in particular, wait.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, okay, when I really Get the big word. Yeah, what I really wanted to remind you is my birthday is coming up and I feel like Mine is first. Well, you're not getting anything from me, okay? Well, I got a big Christmas.
Speaker 3:You got a big Christmas present.
Speaker 1:But I feel like it's time for you to come through with the new animal pet. I do too, because you gave me the emus. I do too, and I feel like maybe it's time for something else like.
Speaker 2:An ostrich.
Speaker 1:Ostrich peacock something.
Speaker 2:And here's the thing If you want peacocks I mean I love peacocks, but you know I grew up with peacocks they have to have a place to live in, they have to have a run. They can't be out. Oh, they can be out.
Speaker 1:I had neighbors that had them out. They'll be fine. I mean, an ostrich would be even better.
Speaker 2:Ostrich, you don't have to worry about They'll kick every animal's ass out there. Yeah, coyote, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:I did have because I've been asked are you getting any new animals anytime soon?
Speaker 1:So I haven't shown it in Instagram at all, but I'm getting our chicken coop redone Getting a new run put on because we've added fencing I don't know when that was last year or the year before and it kind of runs right up to the chicken coop now. So we're getting a run redone and I never really liked the chicken coop because it's right there in our backyard. I mean we're not moving it or anything because it's a big block building. You're shifting it. I wanted the run on a different side and the jazz it up a little bit, but it looks a little prettier because it kind of just looks like little jailhouse out there which is really on the backside. It has windows facing away from our house. It looks really cool. So I'm going to get some windows put in the front.
Speaker 2:Well, I would be all about getting you two peacocks, but I think that requires preparation. Yeah, like the emus, preparation H. No, that's a different preparation H too, they get a little loud.
Speaker 1:They do get loud. So my point is with getting the chicken coop redone, I need to. I don't know, I can't decide what I want to get. I'm thinking either not from you, you're separate, you have to surprise me but I'm thinking either some ducks and geese, because they could use that, and then we have the pond to grow up in, and then we have the pond Also. I'm thinking some guineas you do not want guineas.
Speaker 2:You don't want guineas. You eat ticks. They are useful, yeah. But what you don't realize is those little demons will come and empty themselves on your sidewalk, in your porch.
Speaker 1:But with the run into the pasture I'm hoping they would stay in the pasture area. Also possibility and we're down to one turkey and I feel like we need some additional turkey.
Speaker 2:We need a couple more turkeys and I feel like you need ducks.
Speaker 1:I love ducks, that's what I said Ducks in a couple of geese, because geese are good at protecting as well. Yeah, they are.
Speaker 2:Well, those wild geese out there have just turned into like parakeets. They are just friendly little birds.
Speaker 1:We have wild geese that show up on our pond every year, and I'm assuming it's the same too, because they've been here every year since we've been here and they are at this point. They'll have babies, and then they'll all leave, and then this time of year they come back and they'll be here till, I don't know, may or June, and then they leave. But they are friendly. Now they came up to me this morning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they'll come up to the fence when you come out there with all the rest of the animals. That is very odd. Well, I guess I know they're going to get some food or something.
Speaker 2:They don't get anything from me, but a little. Hey, yeah. But yeah, they're so friendly.
Speaker 1:I did, though, order bees again. It's been a while since I've had bees beehives, yeah we need bees. And so I ordered four. I'm going to have four beehives this year, which we'll see how there's a lot of work too.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:Those are a little bit of work. They're not that much work. The problem with having bees is, you don't? It's hard to stay on top of, like everything, and be fine, and then, like two weeks later, you can check on them and you're like oh my gosh, there's a mite in here or something. That's a problem.
Speaker 2:I feel like, I feel like and I'm not a beekeeper have them in my family, but I'm not one. But I feel like you have to be pretty consistent.
Speaker 1:We do, but you have to learn to spot the. It's hard to be proactive, but you got to try to be proactive. It's hard, you know, because they have their own little ecosystem which is and you don't want to mess up. If everything's fine, you don't want to mess that up and they can handle some things themselves. But then all of a sudden there can be no problems and then it's like, oh my gosh, there's a problem.
Speaker 2:I follow a beekeeper on Instagram how you doing? And she talks like this and I love her voice. This is how she talks and she she saves bees. But it's very, very interesting and, like my family that are beekeepers, typically never wear any protective gear or anything. Right, and I think you have to be a whole. They're actually very gentle.
Speaker 1:I mean gentle depending on the variety.
Speaker 2:She. Sometimes she wears, it, wears the gear, sometimes not, but it's so interesting, like where she saves the bees and that. What is difficult for me and, like I said, I'm not a beekeeper I cannot pick out the queen.
Speaker 1:You could if you saw it. It may be in person. Yeah, if you saw it in person, I'll suit you up one day and you can.
Speaker 2:You did one time, but I've never. I've never seen the queen. We'll do it and I can't tell. Like she always points out the queen, and she has a really good little system. She uses, like hair banana clips that have that don't close completely, yeah, and that's what she holds the queen in to get the bees. So that's a good trick, yeah, to get the bees to go to the hive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so when a bee have swarms meaning part of the hive leaves with the new queen or it could be the old queen they split off. When the hive gets too full, they can split off. Now, when you're keeping them as hives, you can recognize like, oh, this one's getting full, they're about to ready to split, and you can split them yourself into a new hive and keep them from swarming. But when, like, what she's going out and doing is saving bees that have swarmed is what they call it.
Speaker 1:They'll leave, and when they swarm they're actually very, very gentle and docile. So that's when she probably doesn't wear gear or anything like that, because they'll just follow the queen's scent, so they might just land in a tree, in a building.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know if I've ever told you this.
Speaker 1:You've probably seen that.
Speaker 2:My McDonald's right down the street from you, yeah, every year that I own that McDonald's. And I own that McDonald's for what? 11 years? Yeah, I would have a swarm.
Speaker 1:Really so, somewhere nearby In those crate myrtles?
Speaker 2:yeah, right beside the other restaurant in the entrance. Yeah, they would swarm to those two crate myrtles.
Speaker 1:I wonder, why right there?
Speaker 2:Every, but it's on a four-lane highway. Yeah, and I would have to try to get rid of them because customers are idiot you know they're scared up, they're scared up on and I'm like yeah, but they're just looking for their next habitat home to take up. Yeah, they were just hanging out. Yeah, they were traveling.
Speaker 1:And so then you can call like a beekeeper and they'll come, basically trap them. But, like you said, you can locate the queen, and if you pull her off, all those other bees will just follow into a box or whatever. Then you can relate to them. It's amazing, so it is really cool.
Speaker 2:And bees are so important, like from just, and I knew this. Like I said, right, families and bees and you're in bees, so I know this, but bees are so important to just our survival. Yeah, and for humans, like it's crazy, like if bees were all the bees were gone, how little time we would have left, right, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:People don't realize that. Yeah, cause they're pollinating everything and keeping everything growing. Yeah, so I expect some type of new animal for my birthday. Does it have to be on my birthday?
Speaker 2:You can have it Okay, it could be May, may, okay. So I'll have to find something. Yeah, okay, or maybe we'll go to a sale.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, a little auction.
Speaker 2:A little bar auction.
Speaker 1:Come back with the carload of things, yeah.
Speaker 2:I have a little riddle for you. Oh, I love riddles. My bank, one of my banks does riddles of the week. Yeah, so I'm all.
Speaker 1:In general, I don't know if this is a riddle or a puzzle.
Speaker 2:I don't know what you call it Okay, I'll tell you Okay.
Speaker 1:What do you call water that is hot Hot water, okay. What do you call water that is cold, cold water? What do you call water that is frozen?
Speaker 2:Ice. Oh, you got it, I got it. That is a. That is kind of a riddle.
Speaker 1:People will say frozen water, yeah, and then not realizing yeah, you got it. I was wondering if you would.
Speaker 2:No, I'm into those because I go there every week A lot of times for the riddle. Yeah, I don't tell them that.
Speaker 1:Just to see the riddle.
Speaker 2:I love it and then most of the time I can get it, but sometimes I can't.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that one I saw on social media and people were filming and they were like frozen water. They're like no, they kept doing it and doing it.
Speaker 2:It's so funny how you're trying to think of acute one that the bank has had. I'll have to start taking photos of those.
Speaker 1:Yeah, another question I have, and this came up on social media as well and I didn't realize. I did this in my head. But do you see, I just wanted your opinion because I feel like we have different I don't know if it's like my dyslexia and I have different visual things than you visualize or whatever. So that's why I found this interesting. Do you see, the days of the week is like even and odd, not like assigned a number, but like these days are even days, these days are odd days.
Speaker 2:Yes, I kind of see Monday, wednesday, friday as odd days.
Speaker 1:I see To me I see them as even and odd days. But Monday, wednesday, friday or even days, and Tuesday, thursday or odd day.
Speaker 2:See, I see it completely the opposite. That's random. I've always thought that too, yeah, but I think maybe it's because Monday, wednesday, friday or three. So it's odd, yeah, grouping.
Speaker 1:But see, the reason I think, I think of, for whatever reason, when I started dissecting this, I think is Monday or even, numbers are like positive numbers or like I don't know. I feel like, even when you talk about even, I think of those as like upbeat, positive, good vibes, and so I feel like Monday, wednesday, friday or like, and then third, like Tuesday, thursday or like. I don't know why, Like I kind of give and I've always associated people.
Speaker 2:This is where it all falls apart. People are going to think we're insane. I also have in my mind have always correlated days of the week with colors and oh, you have yeah Like. Monday, and maybe it's because, like I think, good, like, my favorite day of the week is generally Friday, saturday, my favorite days, and so those would be like blue or green. In Monday would be like gray shit. Brown.
Speaker 1:That's so interesting. I've never assigned a color in my brain to days of the week and I really don't think about the weekend days. I just think Monday through Friday is even and odd.
Speaker 2:I don't know what I'm thinking about You're wrong, because no, yeah, monday, wednesday, friday or even days, no, tuesday, thursday, thursday, it's like two, four, six, eight. Those are Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Like oh, but those are all even numbers. That doesn't work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, two, four, six, eight or even numbers, and that's why that's Monday, wednesday, friday.
Speaker 2:Uh-oh, no, no, that doesn't even make sense. So how?
Speaker 1:do you do this? Do you assign even an odd two days of the week on our hotline? I'd love to hear this Call or text us our hotline number.
Speaker 2:People don't think we're crazy 864-982-5029.
Speaker 1:You can find it in the show notes. No, this was a discussion on social media too.
Speaker 2:Was it? Yeah, that makes me feel better, it makes me feel less crazy.
Speaker 1:But we have opposite views is the funny thing.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we need the one I saw today and I didn't write this down, but kind of makes me know that you might do the same thing. When you picture the year, like the months, do you picture them in a certain format, like January, maybe like from top to bottom or left to right or in rows?
Speaker 2:Left to right across. Yeah, and I always, I always divided up into quarters because, I guess, because of business, yeah. Taxes and business. I always think first quarter, second quarter third quarter fourth quarter. Yeah, I think that's a business thing. I don't think normal people if you're not in business, or an accountant, you don't think quarters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but maybe you do, maybe you do. They were saying like people had different views, like they pictured it vertical, you know, january to top December, some people did horizontal and then some people broken into like three months segments or yeah, I visualize it more into quarters, but I see it in my mind left to right, mm-hmm, straight across. Yeah, I guess that's how I do it. Hmm, never thought about that.
Speaker 2:I know, I mean, there's things you never think about, yeah, but it's a thing, it is a thing.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, let's get into talking about the hot topic, because I put up a box and someone asked what do you think about influencers the good, the bad and the ugly and we've talked about kind of influencing in general before, but I thought it was fun to touch on because it's fun from all sides I feel like from the listener side how it kind of works. Or maybe you're thinking about oh, that's something that I want to do and then it's fine from being an influencer, working with influencers and all sides that go along with it or whatever.
Speaker 2:Well, and I here's my thing with. I don't have a problem with much of anything and I see it as just advertising. For the most part Right, but my view of influencers in that whole world is kind of what I'm drawn to person, personally with someone a personal connection is I like genuine Right, so I'm more drawn to people that are very genuine, fewer filters, very real people, right, because that's what I like, yeah, and that's kind of how I think, but I think that's the importance of whether you follow a certain influence or not.
Speaker 1:It is If you make that connection and feel that they're genuine.
Speaker 3:It is.
Speaker 1:But before we get into it, I would just like to say, if it's something that you're considering or maybe you're like maybe I could do that, do it. It's a new year. You got to start somewhere. Everybody who you follow and you feel like is ahead of you. They started at zero too. So if it's something that you're interested in, pursue it, because you can do influencing, like on no money and you can make good money and you can do it as a side job or however you want it to work for you or do it for fun.
Speaker 1:But I've had people say like I really want to do this or get it, like I have things that I want to show and I do DIY, but I feel like other people are doing it and I'm like, yeah, but that's like influencing is a business, and that would be like saying, oh, I'm not going to open a retail store because other people have retail stores.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're not going to open a plant store because that's you know, there's already a garden store or something. But it's your own twist.
Speaker 1:Right and your personality and your connection with um, with your audience. So it's about building an audience. So if it is something that you're interested in and you want to do it, go for it, because there's room for everyone. So, to me, influencing I feel like some people have like a negative connotation towards influencing, which I feel like I don't know why. I feel like that's a false thing. Influencing is nothing new. I think influencing is a new word assigned to like a job, but influencing is nothing new. You have grown up your whole life being influenced in some way. It used to be on TV and if you think back to like commercials where celebrities are advertising, they're influencing, that they were paid to promote a product and whether you connect like, you might think, oh, that person is so cool and I want to use their product or the product that they're promoting or whatever. Um, if you've ever watched, you know um, the home shopping network QVC. That's influence, that's influence.
Speaker 2:Well, and it's ironic that we're doing this because we're recording this Friday before the Super Bowl, right? So the Super Bowl Sunday is your biggest influencer day in the year, but not by influencers, by paid commercials.
Speaker 1:But that's influence.
Speaker 2:That's influence. You'll see McDonald's commercial. If you watch the Super Bowl, you will see a McDonald's commercial with a celebrity and I can promise you, you cannot imagine how much that one commercial costs.
Speaker 1:Those are the most expensive person's getting paid.
Speaker 2:That's the most expensive advertising in the world, right All year long.
Speaker 1:And even on a non-commercial level, there has always been things, if you think about it, from pampered chef, that's influencing, that was influencing. Now is just a digital version.
Speaker 2:Mary Kay Avaan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you had those parties again, pampered chef, that was an in-person influencer is all it was. Instead of them being on Instagram, you went to that person's house, they talked about these products and they earned a commission off of the products that you bought at their party. And that's influencing and that's the way that it works. It's now just a digital version, so I don't know why there's this kind of negative. I feel like some people not everyone has a negative vibe for it, but some people try to make it into a thing and really there's nothing wrong. It's a business. If you're influencing, it is a business that you are running.
Speaker 1:Now, the thing I feel like kind of going into what you say, kind of what can be the ugly, is whether the influencer has integrity or not. And they're genuine Because a good influencer and influencers that are probably the most popular and that sort of thing are genuine because it is a business. If you, as a consumer and I follow, like on Instagram, probably 98% of the people I follow are some form of influencers and so I follow a ton and all about products from them and that sort of thing. But, like I said, it's a business. And if you, as the influencer, don't have the integrity to shift through or whatever filter through the products and you're just promoting anything your consumers just like if we had a retail store and sold everything crappy products. Your consumers will catch on to that.
Speaker 1:So for the people who are, you know, have integrity and really doing it, they're trying out the products before and then they're giving you an honest review, whether they're in there getting paid for it, whether it's a direct hey promote this product and, will you know, pay you this amount or they're getting a commission when you click through and buy the product. So I feel like that's kind of you're always, in any industry, going to get a few bad apples that aren't, but those people really aren't going to stick around. Because if you buy, if you're like, oh, I connected with this person and you and they tell you this item is great quality, it's a great product, and then you order it and it's not, you're not going to trust that person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think, well, that's an obvious what you're saying. But then there's those people that you know and it's their prerogative. I mean, it's what they want to do, it's their business, yeah, what? But you can? You know, there are a few influencers out there that I follow and if they used every product that they promote and say how great it is, I mean it's not possible. You can't use that many deodorant, different deodorants. You can't use. That many razors you can't use. I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you have to look at it from an advertising standpoint. They're advertising. That's like saying a celebrity who is advertising one time for McDonald's and then the next time for a different thing can't eat. Their job is to give you an honest review of that product If they used it for a week and can tell you how good the product it is then yeah, that means the person I'm thinking of.
Speaker 2:Obviously I wouldn't call them out it, just it comes across because it's constant. Yeah, you know, they used to have a very, a lot of great content and now it's just became. They're just an ad for commercials.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that happened. I feel like that happened and that's they're fine.
Speaker 2:It's their business. That may be their business plan, right. They may want to just do commercials.
Speaker 1:Yeah and I, but I feel like that'll catch up with whoever in the long run it gets to be. Maybe they get a little too greedy or maybe, you know, they get too called up. You also have to provide content other content other than advertising, but that doesn't mean that their reviews isn't genuine.
Speaker 2:Is that that? No, no, I'm not saying that, I'm just saying it gets very watered down. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, that that can definitely happen as well. But overall, for my take on it is influencers are just the new age, the digital age, of having a marketing business. You're marketing Mm. Hmm, and it's like one of those things like like celebrities who are advertising, like Jennifer Aniston advertise I don't know some cheap shampoo I can't remember what it was at the time and I'm like she knows she don't use that, she ain't using that on her hair, but but people are receptive to that and that doesn't come across as a negative thing Like some of the bad raps that influence.
Speaker 2:Well, and I will. I'll call out somebody that I think does a phenomenal job Mm. Hmm, Tina, to Mimi's house, we go Right. I think she to me she's one of the best out there. It's very genuine Right and anything that she promotes or shows I would totally buy, and maybe it's because I know her personally. But I don't think so. I think.
Speaker 1:No, I think she's very selective and I think you, she does it in a way where she you're seeing it genuinely be used. Yeah, In her home.
Speaker 2:That's Well, that's what I know, right. But that is also how I feel when I watch her Right and I have friends completely not in our world whatsoever that follow to Mimi's house. We go, yeah, and they buy everything she shows, right, because they're like, well, tina likes it and they trust her.
Speaker 1:And they.
Speaker 2:Tina's as real as you can get, right, like like before I met her in person and we actually became friends, right. I was like I wonder what she's like, but Tina is as real as they come, mm. Hmm, and to me it comes across that way, right With what she promotes, right.
Speaker 1:And I think it's, you know, also different for everyone. Going to me personally, I don't exactly know. I mean, I guess you could call me an influencer. I say more of a creator, not because I don't want to be an influencer. I guess we're a more of an entrepreneur because ours ties in directly to our business, but I am influencing you to buy things from our business in the form of I'm showing you what we sell.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:You know I'm I'm showing you how to style our products.
Speaker 2:But anything that we buy to sell or promote, we love it, we vet it.
Speaker 1:Oh, and that's why I feel like you know our following understands from a different perspective, because we show them on Instagram like not only styling our products and selling our products to them, but we show them us going to market and what it takes to find those products. So we're going through and showing like we. We just spent nine days at the Atlanta market hunting the best products for you.
Speaker 2:And we do live sales with demos and different things, so there's a lot more, hopefully. Well, and the people that have been buying from us know how we are like. They know if they order any of faux stem from us a faux plant or anything it's the best quality, right, we're so picky.
Speaker 1:Right, and that's what we, you know, pride ourselves on and offering these good, good products. So I don't know, it is a weird. I feel like it's a weird newer world being an influencer, but at the same time it's nothing different. I don't know why people put like a different label on it.
Speaker 2:An influencer is such a you know, some people would call you an influencer, some people wouldn't call you, they would call you more content creator. But I think with Instagram and just social media in general, it's really in 2024, you can make it whatever you want to make, right.
Speaker 1:Right. The other thing, though I will say that I feel like influencers not me as an influencer, and I'll call myself an influencer because, like I said, I'm influencing you to buy our product, so that that's fine. I don't have a problem with that. But people who just influence and don't have, like, we have our own business where we're shipping from other influencers, are working with brands, which is just different avenues In the. In the end, you're doing the same thing You're showing a product and getting people to buy it if they so desire, but I feel like, for those who don't have their own business, like we do, they get a bad rap, that it's not a real job, and that's the part that they're working. They are working.
Speaker 1:I don't people don't understand, if you don't do it, how long it takes to do those reels or even stories, something that seems so simple. Even for me who uses our own products, like I did a, let's say, a trace styling this week on a reel, that one 30 second reel was really about four to five hours worth of work by the time I got the product. I brought it home, I styled it, I had to edit it, I had to do a voice over. You have to pick the music, you have to link the product, you have to do the caption and that's just doing it for myself, and occasionally I will work with different you know brands. If it's something that you know I really want, like we're in our office, I just put up this gorgeous wallpaper. It was something I wanted to do anyway and a brand reached out to me and I was like, oh well, I need wallpaper and I'll order some, or you know they said it was genuine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was genuinely genuinely wanted it.
Speaker 1:I genuinely liked it. If I wouldn't have liked it, I would have just went back to them and said, oh really, what my thing, sorry, and that would have, and there's nothing wrong with that. But when you work with a brand, like other influencers have to do, if they're not selling their own products the time like there's, you got to talk to them and say that you want to do it. You have to sign a contract. They have to get you the product. If you're doing something like this one you know wallpaper wall I did, which is installing that took a few hours you have to film it, edit it. Then you have to send it to them for approval. They have to approve it and then, if they want you to make any changes, they might say, you know, shorten it a little bit. Or you know, we've been like this shot at the beginning instead of at the end. You know they'll give you things. Then you may have to redo that, so like even just to do this little project.
Speaker 1:So it took probably 12 hours, yeah, or longer, to do that. So I think that's the other thing people think oh, influencers are just like having playing. It's like they're playing and having fun and it's not a job, but it really. Especially, you know, those who are doing it consistently and the ones who do it good which goes back to what you're saying who make sure they add other very valuable content to their feed and stories. It is such a it's a lot of work to balance that out. Like, okay, I've got this brand deal, but I also don't want to just do brand deal after brand deal, so I have to space it out.
Speaker 2:I have to make sure I have these other good content and we and you know, on the flip side of that, on our business as business owners, right, it is challenging finding the right influencers to promote our product Right.
Speaker 1:So that goes to the other side, because that's what I was going to say. Like for us, we were, I guess you could say our work is an influencer and then on the business side, we work with influencers to promote our products as well. So it's kind of like from those sides and how, as, like you're saying, business owners, it takes a lot to find the right influencers that fit with your brand.
Speaker 2:And their personality, everything Like I reached out to one I won't call them out on here, I mentioned it to you. I was like what do you think about this? And you said, yeah, look, you know, I reached out to that person and I was like you know, we would love to work with you promoting some of our products if you're interested. And in my mind it was a person that should have. It was a good opportunity for that person. Yeah, and literally I got a maybe and I was thinking you know what we don't.
Speaker 2:You're not our person, right, which is fine, it's fine, it's fine, but it's amazing People don't realize on our side, finding the right influencers, right, it is challenging, you know they're. You know Tina, at Tameemis house we go. She does a phenomenal job with lots of things, but she also does a phenomenal job with our products, right, and they're hard to find. Yeah, they really do that kind of job because you have to.
Speaker 1:you know, especially as a small business working with influencers, you have to find the right person who, again, like not only does the influencer have to vet what's going to be good for their page and their following and come across genuine, but as then us, even further down the line, as the business owner, we have to vet the influencer to make sure is our product going to fit their page and be genuine, like we can't just send it to someone who normally is a deal finder, say, because you know there's influencers that are a deal finder, and then throw in our product because it's not on the same level and you can't have someone who's been promoting coupon codes and deals and then throw in a boutique style.
Speaker 2:And then sometimes we get burned. You know I gave someone a credit, you know, to promote our products, a lot of, you know, a substantial amount of money in my opinion. And then I look at the orders come again and that person was buying gifts, not even to promote.
Speaker 3:And.
Speaker 2:I'm like you're just unethical. Yeah, you're not. We're not working with you. Yeah, I mean, it just like is challenging on all sides.
Speaker 2:It is finding the right people, because you know, like every, every other business and every person out there, there's all types of people and they're not, you know, for the people that have bad attitudes about they're not all bad. There's some great. We work with some phenomenal people from on our business side and so we know there's a lot of good and we're friends with a lot of good people, and then and then there's always going to be the small handful that are just the bad apples.
Speaker 1:Right, and those are the ones that don't really make it and stick around. It's just like again, going back is. Being influencer is like having your own business and you have to run it in a genuine and ethical and legit way, or you're not going to make it, to make it and that's the end of the day, but it comes down. So I think there's a lot more good about influencing, because I do feel like personally, I do feel like overall, you are getting a more genuine review of a product.
Speaker 2:I agree.
Speaker 1:Then you are if you watch a commercial or you watch home shopping network or QVC, where I agree. So I do feel like there is a more peeled back level where you're getting more genuine. Overall. It's more vetted. It's more vetted of a product. I agree for that. So, yeah, I think they shouldn't have a bad connotation around influencing and again kind of what we started with. If it's something you're interested in, it's not too late. I think the thing that you have to do if you want to get started in it is, again, besides being yourself, being genuine, you have to get into it for another reason and then it let it work into doing influence.
Speaker 2:Make it more organic.
Speaker 1:Right, you have to start with another reason other than I just want to be an influencer. So you either have to start like I already do art, and I want to show that and then, as you get a following, you can throw in some influencing or DIY or decorating or farming, whatever it may be. You have to start with a backbone of something else and then organically grow into doing the influencing. But the opportunity is there and in today's age it works so good with digital things, it's a digital marketing and it's free. So if you have a little hobby and that's what we're going to talk to Joy coming up, I assume it started as a hobby. We'll figure out how she started her thing.
Speaker 1:But if you have a small like side business and you want to take it to the next level, get on social media, so many people are scared to like put themselves out there, it is 2024.
Speaker 2:There's lots of different ways to have a business Right. You can have a business just as an influencer. You can do a combination of both what we've done Right and like with Joy. If you don't want a standalone brick and mortar, you can rent booths at places and promote your product and have your own line store and tied into social media. There's so many things out there that you can do to build your business Right.
Speaker 1:And it all ties together. I will say, though, if you are thinking about getting into social media as a form of a business whether it's influencing, selling your own product, whatever if you are not willing to put in the work and keep up to date with what is changing, then don't, just don't even start, because there are people that have such potential that I follow, and they are still posting on Instagram and doing techniques that are like three years out of date and they never grow. And I've even tried to like tell some of them like hey, you don't want to do that because you don't want to do all those hashtags, yeah.
Speaker 1:Instagram sees that as spam and they're not going to promote your. They still do it. Like back in the day, people Instagram wanted you to post like even like not just stories, but posts, like a steel post when it was photos or whatever like three times a day. Now, if you do that, they see it as spam. Like why are you posting that many times a day? There are people we've told don't post that many times a day and then they do it and then they're getting three likes.
Speaker 2:You can't tag people every time.
Speaker 1:Right, you can't tag people, and you can't tag a lot of people, because then again Instagram sees it as spam, like why are you tagging 20 people in your post or whatever? So if you're not willing to also study up and keep up with it, don't do it. Don't do it because you're just wasting your time and you're just going to be spinning your tires in the mud as well. So that's my advice for that, and I think, as a viewer who isn't on the influencing side or creator side, that's probably things that you never think about, because you're posting, as just you know. You post your family pictures or that, and it doesn't matter who sees it or who doesn't. But as someone on social media, someone on social media, then you have to look at that.
Speaker 1:How many likes am I getting, comments? Am I getting Engagement? Because you're running a business off of it. So there's those tips, and let's pick up our hitchhiker, joy. Joy owns Simply Joy Soaps and we're going to talk to her about her business and how she got into it, and I really don't know the answers to that. I know I don't know the answers to that either, even though we've met her.
Speaker 2:We're friends. We met Joy through our live sales, through Instagram and our live sales, and we just chatted with her and then she has the soap business and she was at the Atlanta market and we've met her a couple of times and she gave us soaps and we really liked the soaps and then we started buying the soaps for ourselves and we love her product.
Speaker 1:So we wanted to say how did you get into this? Yeah, so let's pick up Joy, and we have Joy in the car with us. So what's up, girl?
Speaker 3:Hey, thanks for picking me up. You're welcome. It was cold waiting out here for y'all to come and pick you up.
Speaker 2:I've heard it was real easy to pick you up.
Speaker 1:And we're only like 45 minutes late. That's okay, you know us. So how's it going? Today? We just found or I just found out you're actually on a girl's beach trip and I was like are you drunk yet? And you were like no, not yet.
Speaker 3:Not yet, but it's going to be five o'clock somewhere in a little bit.
Speaker 2:So you on simply soap.
Speaker 1:Simply joy soap. Simply joy soap I can never remember that.
Speaker 2:Simply joy soap. I just want to call it joy soap.
Speaker 1:And we'll put your website in the show notes as well and your Instagram link so everyone can check you out.
Speaker 2:But I want to ask you how did it come up? How did it start, Like, how did you even start making soap or wanting to make soap? I mean, was it a? Was it a body odor issue? I mean, you can tell us. We're all friends here.
Speaker 3:Okay, so well, not to lie, you know, say well, way back, going, way back. But when I was a kid I did love to make stuff, just like you know. You sold candy. Well, I sold pot holders like I would weave those pot holders. And my mama had a beauty shop.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:That's what they call them. Now they're salons, but think still Magnolia. So I grew up in the beauty shop. Well, I would make pot holders. You know the little loom. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the kids would buy it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I would sell them for a dollar. So I've always loved to make stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So then fast forward. I was a teacher and I love still making stuff, so I took every class under the sun, like painting, smocking, sewing. I never took a soaping class, which is what's funny. Yeah but I always loved bath products, like even when I was little. And it's funny because my friends are like, okay, you didn't even like to be my friends call me big pen.
Speaker 2:I knew there was a distance.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I'm like well, it was such a mundane thing and I was like, why would? I was a little kid. I was like, why do I want to go like take a bath Right, so I would need fun stuff. So I always had like, do you remember the little balls? They were like oil balls. Yes, and you put them in the bath and they went melt.
Speaker 2:They were pretty colors.
Speaker 3:Yes, and they would.
Speaker 1:Yes, and they would make the tub yes. Well, we had a cast iron tub growing up, you know, like one of the cloth. Yes, it would make that it would make that tub slick as shit. You would be sliding around in there with those little balls. Oh my gosh, I forgot about those.
Speaker 3:Yes. So, and then there were like little square I mean basically it was a bath bomb back in the day. They were little square things and you put them in the bath and they kind of fizzed and dissolved and they smidled. Well, anyway, I loved all bath products and that was basically the only way to get me in the bath. So so there's that. I know I'm jumping around. So then when I was a teacher I loved making stuff and so then I kind of stumbled into making soap. Where you could go to Michael's or Hobby Lobby or anywhere like that, you could buy these blocks of soap and you just melt them, you know, cut it up, melt in the microwave and it's called a melt and pour soap. And so that's where I started and it was just that was you know, I would make them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was just making them for friends and stuff like that. And then I had my kids, so I stopped teaching and then I would make soap, I would paint stuff and I would have a little mini show at my house. So I was doing a bunch of stuff and then I was like I really enjoy soap the most. I started doing that and I going back a little bit, jumping around. So when I was a teenager, I used to love reading teen magazines. You remember that, yeah, and so I would love to read about skincare and taking care of your skin and stuff like that. And I specifically remember it was like you need to exfoliate. So I have always believed in exfoliation and so, but I do not like a scrub because it's messy and guess what? It's another step. And you know me, I don't like to bathe. I was in the bed one night and I'm like, how can you like have, why can't there be something that you could wash and exfoliate at the same time? And I'm like, well, I'm going to make it.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:And so I started out with the melt and pour. And so then I was like well, I don't want the whole bar to be exfoliation. I want to be able to have some plain soap too, because you know you don't need to exfoliate everywhere.
Speaker 2:So so or do you?
Speaker 3:So then that that's where it started and that's so I've moved from the melt and pour. I was always afraid to actually make like with the lie and stuff like that, because that's a big deal you can get burned, and so I had to read and like watch YouTube videos and just really studied it, and that's when I started making, making legit soap.
Speaker 1:Yeah, from scratch.
Speaker 3:And so yes, yes, so yeah. Was that all like jumping around too much?
Speaker 1:Because that's really cool so basically you're obviously creative and you like to do things. And then you saw a need to have the to have the soap that exists Foliating. If you don't know, she has these really cool soaps that, like she just mentioned, is exfoliating on one side and then the other side is a regular part. Grits, yeah, so it has grits in it.
Speaker 3:It's got grits and sugar.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you don't have one that has oatmeal.
Speaker 1:No, do not say that.
Speaker 3:I do not have one that has oatmeal.
Speaker 1:We mentioned that when we were at the Atlanta market. I was like I love the one with oatmeal and she was like I do not have one with oatmeal.
Speaker 3:No, that must be like simply Susan's soap. It's not simply joy.
Speaker 1:Because the grits are a whole different texture. Like they do exfoliate.
Speaker 2:Well, and I like them because they're not. It's not as messy. Yeah, I don't want oatmeal floating around in my shower, yeah, so.
Speaker 3:Right and like with a scrub, because I know it's just so oily and it's I don't know. Then I feel like it gets water in it and I don't know, it might be growing some stuff. I'm sure they put preservatives in it, but and I did use stuff like that beforehand and that's what made me I'm like, yeah, I don't want to, like, do a scrub, rinse it off. And then I got to watch.
Speaker 1:Right so. So, earlier in the it's really from laziness. Right, so, but there was a need for that because I love the yeah, and earlier in the episode we were talking about like influencers and sort of a small business and like digital now, but anyway, going back to what you mentioned, is you used to have these parties at your house, basically to sell your products which I was relating to. Going back to what I was saying earlier, that was that was influencing back in the day, before social media. You brought people. That's true.
Speaker 1:And you influenced them to buy your product from your house.
Speaker 3:Isn't that yeah?
Speaker 1:Isn't it crazy how really influencing like people I feel like think it's sort of a new thing, but really it's just the new age of what's always been done, which is just a form of marketing.
Speaker 3:Right, so Right it is.
Speaker 2:And you sell your products through Etsy.
Speaker 3:Yes, I have an Etsy store, which I'm one I'm working on because I'm too cheap to pay someone to do a website. I am bound and determined I'm going to make this website this year and I'm like I, I'm bad, I'm gonna do it. I'm like I'm fifty, I'm fifty four and I'm like I dad gum it. We didn't grow up with technology. I'm getting my website.
Speaker 1:You can do it and I can help you I can do it.
Speaker 3:I do all the hours for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can do it, it's not as complicated. You just have to take one little bite at a time and then it all comes together.
Speaker 3:So Well, I started, so there's like a page, is like you can put your email in and be notified when you know when it's ready. So maybe y'all everybody will still be alive when it gets done.
Speaker 1:so Tell us about taking your soap, like sort of from a hobby or something that you loved, into a business like what was your first step? Did you start on Etsy or did because you also have booth Like it? Yeah, you know consignment places. Yes, both are great outlets and that's a great way to dip your toe into. You know, if you are trying to take a little side hustle or hobby or you know mostly and I both did that yeah, that's how we start we both had booths in the beginning.
Speaker 1:But what did you do first? Did you do the booths first, or Etsy first, or both kind of the same time? Like how did you get into? Like okay, I'm gonna take this to the next step.
Speaker 3:So I, you know I love doing it, so you're making all this and at some point you're like I mean, I don't, I can't give all this away as gifts all the time.
Speaker 3:So you know, I had the little parties, but I did start in like the whole these antique places that have all the booths, like it's such a great concept. And you know it wasn't around, but that's where I started and I just started with a shelf and so where you rent the shelf and then you know they get a portion of it. But so I started on a shelf and then a bigger space came open and I always wanted a cloth, that tub in there, and so that's when I got a booth and I put my cloth, that tub in there, and so I started expanding and Making different kinds of so. So I'm like you know, someone may just want a plain bar, so right, and then just you know other things like that. So I did start out with a booth and then another booth, you know, at another place up the road, came available and I did that and so, yeah, and then I've got a few wholesale clients now that Are selling them in their boutiques and stores. So yeah, it's been a slow growth and not fine with me.
Speaker 1:But yeah, that's, that's where we are, but you took it from just giving it away and making a hobby to making some money and I love your soaps.
Speaker 2:I know why I washed my butt this morning with the soap with the. Wash my butt this morning.
Speaker 3:That is maybe one of the highest compliments. I washed my butt with your, so I'll take it.
Speaker 1:That is.
Speaker 3:I'll take it. I noticed that crazy.
Speaker 1:Yes, we are especially him. Notice, though, you have started doing a little bit better with your social media, so we got to get.
Speaker 3:I know you're telling, I know you know, again, I'm just like it's hard and then I feel like nobody wants to. You know, everybody has that. You, I don't know if you feel like that or felt like that at first. It's like I mean to see me. Yeah, you're like nobody wants to see me and do I get on? You know, I'm always like do I get on people's nerves? Maybe I just won't say anything and I just show pictures of my stuff yeah it's.
Speaker 1:But that's the things that you have intimidating. I've got to work through it, yes, but you've been doing better. I've noticed popping up in my feed. But, you just have to set all that aside, because there are people that will not everyone's gonna like you and not everyone's gonna connect with you, and that's fine. Not everyone can. And everyone on the other side, like your side, has those feelings. Am I good enough? Are they gonna like me, are they not?
Speaker 2:Just natural. You know it took me a little, it took me a minute to like you, so I mean it just.
Speaker 1:You know it's the normal if it was not true, but you just got to do it because you will find your people, your audience. We talked about that on the podcast before. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And it's like I believe in my product. It's just, you know, and that's the thing like you believe in your product, you believe in your stuff. That.
Speaker 1:It comes down to the personal confidence sometime yeah, and I've always.
Speaker 3:I'm a confident person too. I've always told my kids like confidence is a choice, right. And then I'm like, but I don't want to get all, but I was the same.
Speaker 2:But here's the thing. I was the same way with social media. I'm a very Confident yeah, in person.
Speaker 1:You are so confident in that social media has been.
Speaker 2:It has taken me and I mean I'm still working on it.
Speaker 1:Do you think it's because you watch the replay of yourself, whereas in real life you don't see that version Like?
Speaker 3:yeah, where do you think probably that I'm getting yeah and I'm sure, when this podcast, I'm sure I'm going to listen to my voice and be like, oh no you're like oh, you need to be quiet.
Speaker 2:You're gonna be like. I sounded like a Bella, hey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I will say, when I started social media, I felt everyone had those same, those same feelings. I felt, though, more awkward about like showing, I guess, product and decorating in our house. I felt like, instead of being intimidating about on a personal or intimidated on a personal level, I felt like are people going to think I'm like being a show off? Like showing off what I have? That was my struggle at first showing off my house, or that I have this product, or you know this decor right and no one does Like.
Speaker 3:I never thought that yeah.
Speaker 1:And then when people started mess I love seeing this show, more, show more that's when I was like, ok, it doesn't read that way, because that's not the intention. The intention is to show like our daily life and our businesses and all that. But when people start responding, then it was like, ok, this is good.
Speaker 2:So you just got to get on there more, so that people can connect. And I've just disconnected like I don't care. And then I've watched a lot of people and I'm like, if they're watching, that you know right, yes, where it's like they have a gazillion followers. Yeah, it's just a great, it's just a hillbilly and I'm like well. I'm no worse than that you know I'm not so are so fun, you're so fun, I think.
Speaker 3:but everybody loves y'all everybody.
Speaker 2:Well, it's an acquired.
Speaker 1:We found our people. Yeah, there's some that don't. I mean you know, I lose about 250 followers a week on Instagram.
Speaker 3:I gain I know For real.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know I do too, and it deflates like I lose like 20 and it wrecks me and Wesley laughs at me. He's like that's nothing yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean? I mean I gain more than I lose. But you know, I hook some slow hook some people in and you know I guess they watch a few days and they're like I got to check out of here. So you know I'm not for everyone.
Speaker 3:We're not for everyone. I'm just listen, I'm at like I have low, you know fall. I'm like it. I got like what when we were at the market. I was so excited. And then I'm like wait one more. I got one more today and I'm like that's the way it is.
Speaker 2:Everybody's been there, yeah.
Speaker 3:I was, and then if I lose it, I'm like womp.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's normal.
Speaker 1:That's why I try not to look at really how many. Yeah, I average about 250 unfollows a week. Sometimes 275 depends on Wow, but you just got to keep focusing on the. Maybe I shouldn't feel so bad then, yeah the ones you're, you know, the ones you're gaining. Everyone goes through that the focus on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so yeah and I think another thing that I'm a very because I was a teacher, you know I like a lesson plan type thing, so that's another thing I need to is just like okay, what am I going to put on social media like I need a lesson?
Speaker 1:I can't. You got to make.
Speaker 3:I'm not a fly by the seed of the pants person. Well that's fine, you just got to make, so you think I need to be a fly by the seed of the pants like hey, look at me.
Speaker 1:Sometimes you got to work in what it's going to be your, your major point of the day, like make your lesson plan of like I'm going to post these important points, or maybe just one a day, and then the rest of it's the fly by the seed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the stories are your. Fly by the seed and think of it like this they're going to drop off in 24 hours. If you look like a fool, it's just 24 hours.
Speaker 1:You know, when you drop a bucket of soap in the floor or you mess something up, mess something up, do show it, say Lord, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah because people want to see that too, yeah yeah, like I loved something. I watched your stories the other day and it was so simple. You had gotten a new way to package your soap with the long little heat thing. I was like, well, look at that little nifty thing, mm-hmm. People connect with that, like you, that I was like. Well, look how cool that is.
Speaker 2:She's a professional, I know. Look at her.
Speaker 3:I know I've got a heat shrink wrap system. Now I'm a big girl.
Speaker 2:You got a girl.
Speaker 1:Well, it's been fun riding with you today and thank you for talking to us.
Speaker 3:Yeah, thank you. I love you so much.
Speaker 1:We love you I love hearing how people got started.
Speaker 2:I do too.
Speaker 1:You know, it can be so simple.
Speaker 2:And the funny thing is is we had never had that conversation with her Right we had no idea how you did it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I love it. Like anytime I get discouraged. I'm like I don't know, maybe I am just you know you get overwhelmed. I'm like maybe I should. Just you know my husband's like girl, you are obsessed with soap, making soap.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And that's true. It's just like, oh, it's something I love, love to do and I mean, I constantly think about it and I know it's weird, everybody's like what you think about, soap.
Speaker 1:No, because I think about decorating or flower ranging, or potting and ranging yeah.
Speaker 3:And I'm like what are my Easter soaps going to look like? What are you know? Just stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Well, I love it. Well, Steven still wants you to have the adult line, adult line of soaps.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that ain't happening.
Speaker 2:So I'm coming to your house and I'm bringing my own molds and we're going to do that on Instagram.
Speaker 3:And then you can take them to Adam and Eve besides your warehouse.
Speaker 2:Listen, listen.
Speaker 3:all jokes aside, I bet, if you listen, I bet they're already in that Adam and Eve store.
Speaker 1:Probably some soap.
Speaker 2:Can I joke aside, Can we plan a play date and I will come to you in Columbia, South Carolina? And we make naughty soaps. No, we make soap together.
Speaker 3:Oh, yes, okay, I don't want you to bring. This I may bring a mold or two.
Speaker 2:My mom will be watching that. Okay, it's okay, it's okay, gosh, okay Then we'll plan it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that would be great, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:That would be fun. Yeah, love to see that.
Speaker 2:We'll plan that yeah.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:Okay, we're kicking you out.
Speaker 1:Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 2:Have a great girls weekend.
Speaker 1:I'll have all of your information down below in the show notes, but you can find her on Instagram at simply joy soaps, and there's a link in her profile to her Etsy shop as well. But it'll be in the show notes as well, but thank you, joy, thank you.
Speaker 3:All right, love y'all.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:Have fun. So that's really cool to hear how, like you know, just taking it from like a little bit of a hobby, and she has a legit business now. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think she could take it if she got a little bit more aggressive with social media. I think she could be because she has a great product.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she really does.
Speaker 2:And if it wasn't good, we wouldn't have even interviewed her Seriously.
Speaker 1:It is so true, but I just love hearing how small businesses on all scales get started.
Speaker 2:And I like her honesty on her struggles with social media. Everybody needs to hear that too, right.
Speaker 1:All of us, and that goes back to what we were talking about in a previous episode, when we were at market wanting to interview. You know some of the store owners and they were like no, I can't be like, you can't record my voice, I sound bad, or you can't do a video of me, and it's like get the confidence to.
Speaker 2:It's not easy doing what we do like right, Getting used to it, Right Even doing this.
Speaker 1:You just have to do it, you just do it and then you just go for it. I, if you're out there on the fence like I really have this idea and I want to do it, but I'm afraid what my family will think, or oh my gosh, I'm going to look silly. Put that aside and do it.
Speaker 2:I have lived my entire life with the motto fake it till you make it. Every step of my entire life, that was my motto, even when I became, when I bought my first McDonald's. I was like I do not know what I'm doing, Like. I didn't know, I did not know.
Speaker 1:But you really did. You just don't feel like you do. That goes back to everyone's gotta. You just do it.
Speaker 2:I was like oh my gosh, I don't understand, like business license, like I'd never tackled that. Yeah, and I was like you just do it. You make a phone call, you go here, you go there and you're like yeah, and then it gets done one step at a time.
Speaker 1:So if you're on the fence about doing something, now is the time. There's no time like the present to get started.
Speaker 3:Just do it.
Speaker 1:Next year. This time you could be in a whole different situation.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:All right, so that wraps up this week's episode.
Speaker 2:Get the hell out. Let's pull this baby out.
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Speaker 2:Bye guys.