Who's Driving
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Who's Driving - S2E9 Kitchen Quirks & Twisted Trials
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Get in, let's go. I don't have much time and it's going to be a short road trip today.
Speaker 2:I can't even handle you that much. Well, you better, let me drive. If you want to get there fast, all right, because you poke, you drive and let's go.
Speaker 1:It's time for another episode of who's Driving. Welcome to who's Driving. I'm Wesley Turner.
Speaker 2:And I'm Stephen Merck. We're two best friends and entrepreneurs.
Speaker 1:Who's Driving is an entertaining look into the behind the scenes of our lives, friendship and business.
Speaker 2:These are the stories we share and topics we discuss, as two best friends would on a long road trip.
Speaker 1:Along the way, we'll check in with friends and offer a wide range of informative topics centered around running small businesses, social media and all things home and garden.
Speaker 2:Buckle up and enjoy the ride.
Speaker 1:You never know who's driving or where we're headed. All we know is it's always a fun ride and on this week's episode we got a little chit chat and a follow up to our true crime segment of my old boss. So I mentioned I don't know a couple of episodes ago that I had this boss in Atlanta who had been on trial for murder, I think maybe convicted and then overturned. But we're going to get back to that.
Speaker 2:It was. He was convicted and then it was overturned on a technicality.
Speaker 1:Yes, so I got so many messages from people saying I want to know more. Like you just skimmed over it.
Speaker 2:I'm glad he didn't kill you too. Well, me too I know exactly.
Speaker 1:I'm glad he didn't kill you too. Well, me too I know Exactly.
Speaker 2:I'm sure he felt like it. If he had seen you after you quit, he would have probably killed you too.
Speaker 1:Probably, probably. Oh my gosh, I have a riddle for you right off the bat. Oh, my word. Okay, all right, repeat after me One.
Speaker 2:One after me One.
Speaker 1:One, two, two, three, three. What's the number after four, five, no, repeat after me One.
Speaker 2:One.
Speaker 1:Two, two, three, three. What's the number after four? There isn't a number.
Speaker 2:I stumped you, you're supposed to repeat after me and say what's the number after?
Speaker 1:four oh, oh.
Speaker 2:That was kind of corny.
Speaker 1:Well, it messed you up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I thought you were asking a question.
Speaker 1:No, you're supposed to repeat after me.
Speaker 2:That was corny. You need to start giving these to the bank.
Speaker 1:I know. I was on the phone with you the other day and you were were in the drive-thru and I heard you. I didn't get it. You said what's the answer to the riddle?
Speaker 2:Yeah, if I can't get it, I make them give it to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you know, I can't remember what it was, but that was funny Because you talked about. That's where you get your riddles, or read them, or read them.
Speaker 2:What kind of socks do bears wear? Bear socks? No, none, they like to go barefoot.
Speaker 1:That's what it was. Yeah, that's what it was. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2:That's really good for a business, too, where you have people coming through all the time, because it's interactive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true, I have a new little. I'm going to call it an ick. What An Instagram ick. It's not really an Instagram, it's a social media. Okay, but every time. Oh, I got two actually. First one, let me. I'm going to start with a different one. First one is when you buy something. I've noticed this in videos on social media, not even about this, but it gives me a little ick.
Speaker 1:When you buy something food like, let's say, sour cream or a dip, anything and it has the peel back like it has a lid, but also has the seal you know it could be aluminum foil, or it could be plastic. Do you peel that all the way off and throw it away?
Speaker 2:Oh, that has to come all the way off in the trash. Yes, me too, because if you don't, it gets all nasty and gross and sticky.
Speaker 1:As soon as I see it in people's video. And, like I said, they're not talking about it.
Speaker 2:They don't take it off.
Speaker 1:No, they'll pull the lid off and then they'll pull that back. They use that as like an extra, like I don't know.
Speaker 2:But it always has it stuck on there.
Speaker 1:Oh, I know, and then it gets crusty around it or something, everything.
Speaker 2:I have has to be clean.
Speaker 1:Yes, you and I are very much. I don't do that Food we talked about this Even honey I don't do that Food we talked about this, even honey.
Speaker 2:I don't want my honey all gummed up dripped sticky.
Speaker 1:No, no, so you have to. Maybe it's something you're not aware of. Let us know out there on our hotline 864-982-5029.
Speaker 2:It's also in the show notes below. And you throw it in the garbage or you're gross.
Speaker 1:Yes, and you use the lid that comes with it as the seal, because I mean, in 1978 there wasn't another seal on there, yeah, and it was perfectly fine.
Speaker 2:I mean, why would you keep that? They should just be destroyed Just an animal. That is just.
Speaker 1:I've seen it several different times. Like I said, it wasn't related to that.
Speaker 2:I even noticed it in the video. I take some of them off. If it's like a dip or something, I'm like, I'm the same way it grosses me out. I don't want to see it ever again. I take it off, and the other thing is I want it cleanly taken off around the edges. Like you can't rip it off and leave like an edge on there.
Speaker 1:Where it just tears like a strip down the middle or something. No, no, no, no, no, no. It grosses me out, it's got to come off, clean Me too.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, yeah, I'm totally like that, yeah, yeah, um, I'm totally like that, yeah if you leave it on there.
Speaker 1:I think you're a serial killer and we've I think we've hit on this before. You and I both are weird on food. We're not picky eaters. I wouldn't say you're picky, yeah, yeah, you are, you are kind of picky too.
Speaker 2:not really, yeah, but anyway, because you eat pretty much like I eat, you're a picky eater.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess so. But Daniel, who is not a picky eater? What I was going to say is it's not. I don't feel like I'm that picky of an eater, but maybe I am, daniel will eat. But I am picky about my food and containers. If I open something, say sour cream, if it's not used in a week it's old.
Speaker 2:You know like once it's absolutely, even if the date says I go off of my mental like okay that's been exposed and open for like a week and if it's down to like the half an inch in there, I'm like yeah daniel's got his finger out licking the bottom of the.
Speaker 1:Oh he will. He gets so aggravated he's like it is fine. It's been in there three days and I'm like I don't know I need some it's been picked out?
Speaker 2:yeah, it has been picked at the other thing spaghetti sauce in a jar.
Speaker 1:If you don't use all of it we'll put it in the refrigerator, but if I don't use it again within like a week, gone. I'm. I'm not, no, it's open and been exposed and it. But you know some products if you read on there it does have like a best buy or expiration date, but it does say once open, used within like seven to ten days or something like that. And but I have to say daniel never gets sick in there not ever.
Speaker 2:And he has eaten things that would have killed me. Yeah, I have witnessed him eat pizza after. He's like sat out all night and it'll be like the next afternoon. He's like, oh, it's fine and there's meat on it, but he's never sick from it. No, his digestive system is like stainless steel.
Speaker 1:I know he's getting ready. Speaking of Daniel, next week we're going to have to get him on when he gets back. He's going to Europe, I know.
Speaker 2:I'm very bitter.
Speaker 1:I'm very excited for him and I can't wait to see, but he's getting to go see like the tulips. I'm excited for him but I'm very bitter. And he's getting to go see the ranunculus and to her flower farms and all that which is I'm very jealous.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I am too. The other thing that grosses me out too is and I know we haven't discussed this, but I know you're the same way, like, if you have peanut butter and jelly, do not take what, you scoop that peanut butter with and put it in the jelly. No, ma'am, it's got to be thrown out. If there's peanut butter in my jar of jelly, it is trashed.
Speaker 1:It's a no-go, A hell, no Gone Gone. Yeah, if Daniel see he'll cross-contaminate things too, Like if I open up the salsa and it's got something else that he scooped in or whatever it is, or some sour cream in the salsa, yeah no, no, no, mm-mm.
Speaker 2:Not. I don't even like that on the table at a restaurant. No, mm-, no Like. Keep the chips in the appropriate dip.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And if you have your own at your plate, then do what you please with it.
Speaker 1:God. It's so funny, though, because Daniel, he'll be like it's fine. Yes, it's good Because I open up everything and inspect it before I even start.
Speaker 2:I do that before. I even even like when it's brand new. I'm like, is there anything?
Speaker 1:I see wrong with this.
Speaker 2:It is so terrible to be like that, I know.
Speaker 1:Whatever, it's the way. We are the other. My new other pet peeve on social media is these products. That and this is a weird one and I don't know why it irritates me. Maybe it's my, you know how I've said, I can picture how things are going to work or where they're going to place, but like all these people advertising products that have just like double-sided tape or maybe it's 3M, but I don't want to call out a brand that stick to things Like I saw some the other day. For example, it was solar lights for your fence outside and the person was sticking them on to the fence with double-sided tape. That's how they come Right. You know what I'm saying. I'm like that shit ain't going to hold up.
Speaker 2:Or like I saw another person with a paper towel holder sticking it to their wall and it's like it's going to tear off and fall off in two days with the pressure, yeah, and outside it's not going to last any time after it rains Like it's going to stick on brick and fence.
Speaker 1:That's so dumb. Can we not get some screws?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's just like to me you know we've had this conversation To me, it is just setting people up for failure. I know it's doing it wrong, just like when I see dummies and yes, I mean dummies, and I'm being harsh because they're dummies that are doing a tutorial on how to do an arrangement on Instagram and they're using scotch tape yeah, we've talked about that.
Speaker 1:That's the same.
Speaker 2:You're teaching some innocent person out there that doesn't know how to do something. Completely ass, backwards, wrong, right.
Speaker 1:Well, I always notice those. If you don't know and we've talked about this is one of our heated pet names is using scotch tape instead of a vase tape. There is a technique in florists that use to tape off the top of their vase to create a grid to hold up your flowers, but when they do that professionally, you use a vase tape that is watertight and made for florals.
Speaker 1:For florals. But it has become popular on social media where just normal people who don't work in the industry have seen that and taken that and just used scotch tape. Well, it it doesn't work.
Speaker 2:It balls up and lets loose as soon as you get it wet at all.
Speaker 1:And what I was going to say is I always notice people who are teaching that like, oh, I did this little grid and they're showing it like you're talking about. They always cut to the end and I'm like, yeah, all that crap just fell apart.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I even watched one of them do it and they turned it and I looked and that scotch tape was just hacked up.
Speaker 1:I'm already falling off.
Speaker 2:I was like you, big dummy. I mean, I've never commented, I've never said anything, because I am a firm believer.
Speaker 1:I don't want to be negative on social media, right, I hate it. But I hate when they are teaching, because you're setting up someone else for failure, for disaster, and then they think it's them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and what if it's a party that they're doing? What if it's a shower or a birthday party or something and it's a special occasion and then they ruin it? Everything they worked on is ruined and they feel like a failure when they're not. They were just told to do something incorrect, right? I just don't like it. Yeah, at least Google, and if you're going to do a reel Google and research it and make sure. I mean, there's many, many, many things that there's all different ways to accomplish, right, but there's some things that are just wrong, yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's going back to the double-sided tape or 3M or whatever, and these aren't. It's not the person showing it doing that, so they're not doing it wrong, it's the way the product comes yeah, it's advertised the company the way it's the company but I guess they're trying to make it so user friendly. They think, oh, stick it up with double-sided tape versus including some screws, because he wants to screw into the wall or whatever. I don't know, but that shouldn't work, it's like and.
Speaker 1:I saw someone else doing shelves like little metal metal like then, but metal shelves, you know and sticking them on. Oh, they're so easy Peel and stick on the wall and I'm like that is going to fall. It. Just that drives me crazy. So that was my newest little.
Speaker 2:I even used with a design client recently. We use some of that Moroccan tile that's so popular right now and you know it's not even Right. It's the way it's made Because it's hand. So I wanted to hang a piece of art on the Moroccan tile so I used a 3M. It's not 3M's fault, so I'm not bashing 3M. We sound like we're bashing 3M.
Speaker 1:That's what I was saying.
Speaker 2:I don't know what brand, it doesn't matter what kind of brand it was, but it was the uneven tile. So when I put it up there, I said this isn't going to hold.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it's not making the best contact.
Speaker 2:I said this is not, and it fell overnight, yeah. And so I said, well, on this situation, I ordered all these different suck size of suction cup. We're going to go that route and see if that works yeah. And I think that will be fine. But you can find a spot.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:To suck it to real good, I know.
Speaker 1:I want to say thank you to all of the people who came out to our recent warehouse sale. It was so good. We got to meet a lot of people who listened to the podcast is what I was thinking, and you and I have talked several times afterwards about how we now get secondhand embarrassment from our podcast for ourselves.
Speaker 2:Well, it's totally unplugged. I mean, this is as real as it gets. We love it.
Speaker 1:We love the podcast and we love when you tell us that you listen to the podcast, but you and I sit here and have little conversations, just like we do. I mean, it's on the fly, it's real. Half the time we don't know what we're talking about or going to talk about. But then when people come up to us, we forget that people actually listen to it, I know.
Speaker 2:And then I'm like oh, my God, what did I say? Because nothing. I mean, this is really raw. Basically, nothing is edited unless we cough Right or something obvious or bang a noise. We really do not edit. This is just us, who, who we are, how we talk.
Speaker 1:I try not to use the f word as much um, as I don't think you really have on the podcast we've, I know I mean they do slip sometimes, like you know, because I I, if I've slipped on live I've slipped on live.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's hard but you know, because it's like a, n and d, but um, yeah, I just feel like this is so. Uh, we're so true to ourselves on our podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, I, when someone mentions it to me, I'm just in public face to face yeah, like at the at the warehouse sale we had lots of people like, oh my gosh, I love the podcast, I love when you were talking about whatever, and then, in that exact moment, I can feel like I feel like my face turns red because, I'm like, what did we say? Oh my gosh, I'm embarrassed for myself now.
Speaker 2:Well.
Speaker 1:I even, I because, and I even, because I go back and listen to them to do the editing, I have to add the intro, the little music and whatever you sit down, record them and you never listen to them again.
Speaker 2:I've never listened to one. You've even tried to make me listen. I'm like I don't want to listen, yeah.
Speaker 1:And sometimes I'll turn ours on when it comes out. On Tuesdays I turn it on while I'm in the shower and I'll listen to it again and I'm like sometimes we are funny.
Speaker 2:I don't know why I you know, and I've said this before, I have never listened to a podcast.
Speaker 1:Right, I've never listened to anyone else's.
Speaker 2:I've never listened to ours and it's truly intentional on my part at this point, at this point, because I do not want anything to influence me, good or bad, like I don't want to emulate anyone else. Or and see, he just hit the table, made a noise, so that's the kind of stuff we usually leave it in there. Leave it in there this time. Um, so I just don't listen to it because I want it to be so real. I'm just afraid if I listen to someone else's, you know, subconsciously I might say, oh well, they do this or they do that. So I was just telling you.
Speaker 2:I was in the office at Coal Banker Kane this past week and we have the best of every. We have the best of the best in Greenville at the, at our brokerage agents, um, brokers, admin folks, everybody's just awesome. And, um, I go in and they're just the sweetest bunch of people in the in the, some of the brokers and admin people are like, oh my gosh, I love your podcast and I immediately was. And admin people are like, oh my gosh, I love your podcast and I immediately was yeah, I'm like I'm going to get fired.
Speaker 2:I don't even know what for, but for something.
Speaker 1:You're like, oh my gosh, what have I said? What are the? Oh my goodness. Yes, so it's funny now that people come up to us and mention things. I'm like, oh my gosh, what did we truly say on there?
Speaker 2:I think there's no telling Right. None, I'm horribly honest on here, but you know, they made me feel better about it. They were like, oh, that's why we love it, that's why we listen to it, so you know.
Speaker 1:Glad y'all like it. I'm glad. Keep on listening. We're going for the top. What five.
Speaker 2:We were top 10% for 2023. We're going for top five yeah. Think we can get there, I think so. I mean we're kind of a big deal.
Speaker 1:That's what you tell everyone. He will meet someone and he'll say do you listen to our podcast? You were doing it with the microphone but you'll do it without the microphone. Just in real life. Or you'll meet someone and strike up a conversation and then it'll be like oh, follow me on instagram or you know we can, and then you'll say do you listen? You need to listen to our podcast.
Speaker 2:We're kind of a big deal we gotta get merchandise and say we're kind of a big deal, let's do that. I think we, absolutely. I think, um. So I'm taking my nephew, which listens to this religiously so, bryce, I know you're going to be listening to it he wants to go to New York City. He's graduating high school this year, so Dylan and I are taking him for a weekend to New York City. I think I need to take the microphone to New. York City. Oh, interview people on the street. That would be so good.
Speaker 1:I mean, I might get murdered. But no, you can do it, you can get away with it in New York City. I think so.
Speaker 2:Don't you think that's a?
Speaker 1:necessity. I think that'd be good, because you could go to different parts, Like if you go to Times Square, that's going to be mostly.
Speaker 2:Touristy, Tourist yeah.
Speaker 1:Where are you from? Yeah, you can. Yeah, do you listen to me? We're kind of a big deal.
Speaker 2:And then when I go shopping on Fifth Avenue. I can take it. So how long have you been working at Louis Vuitton? What's your favorite product? They will kick you out.
Speaker 1:They will not find it funny.
Speaker 2:Not if I'm buying. That's true, those people are upside. I'll have to buy wherever. I pull the microphone buying. That's true, people are uptight. I'll have to buy wherever I pull the microphone.
Speaker 1:Exactly so. Watch where you pull it out.
Speaker 2:We're not buying in here. Do not take the microphone out.
Speaker 1:Right. Oh, my goodness, that's funny. It's too funny. Okay, let's talk about my boss back in Atlanta, back in when I graduated from. If you missed this on the previous episode, you can go back and listen to it. But a quick little recap is right out of college I moved to Atlanta and blah, blah, blah Ended up working at a garden center, became the manager, found out my boss had been convicted of murder the owner of the garden center. So I looked it up because I was very careful, because it just came up on a whim, and I looked up the article. So I'm going to read from the article the facts that are in this article, so that it's not me.
Speaker 1:Quote you're going to read it. Yeah, I'm going to read it the whole story, because this one, I felt like, summed it up very good. Okay for me. So are you ready? Is that a picture of him?
Speaker 2:yeah, let me see the picture a little story time on this oh, he looks like a real asshole, he does yeah so you can google.
Speaker 1:His name is I think it's William Wayne Carr, weldon Wayne Carr he went by Wayne.
Speaker 2:He sounds like a serial. That's the name of a serial killer.
Speaker 1:Because people were saying I want to know who it is, I want to look it up, like you know this stuff. So it's Weldon Wayne Carr C-A-R-R. Just put in Atlanta, georgia, it comes up.
Speaker 2:Weldon Wayne.
Speaker 1:Yeah, comes up. Weldon Wayne, yeah. So this was shortly before dawn on April 7th 1993. A fire broke out on the first floor of home of Weldon Wayne Carr and his wife Patricia in Sandy Springs, georgia. The blaze sent thick smoke billowing up the second floor. Weldon Carr, 57, escaped the fire by leaping from a second-story window. Patricia, 52, collapsed in her bedroom from smoke inhalation. While still inside she was rescued but died three days later. Almost immediately after the fire was extinguished, an anonymous call was placed to police suggesting the cause of the fire being investigated for possible arson. On April 11th, when Carr, the owner of one of the oldest and most renowned mail order seed companies in the Southeast, that was Hastings, was released from the hospital after treatment for smoke inhalation, Inhalation.
Speaker 2:It's a big word.
Speaker 1:You know me reading and it's a whole like two pages long. Inhalation and other injuries. He was arrested and charged with murder and arson. Police said he used flammable liquid to set fire in a downstairs room because he had discovered his wife was having an affair. His wife was having, I don't blame her.
Speaker 2:Going by how he looks Additional charges of aggravated assault and eavesdropping.
Speaker 1:Eavesdropping, eavesdropping I thought it was eavesdropping. Eaves, it's eaves. I'm reading that right here. You thought it was eavesdropping. Eaves, it's eaves. I'm reading that right here.
Speaker 2:You thought it was eavesdropping. Yeah, oh, my God I know, can you just keep some things to yourself?
Speaker 1:I'm going to be 43 this month. I thought it was eavesdropping. No, there's a V in there. Yeah, okay, did anyone else think it was eavesdropping instead of eavesdropping?
Speaker 2:I guess you think it's Valentine's Day and not Valentine's Day too.
Speaker 1:No. Were later added, alleging that Carr struck his wife to keep her from escaping and that he illegally tape recorded conversations between his wife and her lover, between his wife and her. I don't even know what this is, lover, lover, yeah. Nancy Grace, the Fulton County prosecutor assigned to handle the trial, announced that arson investigators found a trail of paper like a wick between the dining room and the kitchen where the fire ignited under the bedroom where Patricia Carr was found.
Speaker 1:Carr went on trial in April of 1994, and the prosecution presented evidence that, prior to the fire, carr took 26 dress shirts to a dry cleaner although he had never taken clothes to a dry cleaner before. That he removed all his dress shoes from the house that he ordered a copy of his and his wife's wills be sent to his office. His college yearbook photographs, income tax papers and income tax papers had been removed from the house. The escape ladder kept in the master bedroom was missing and as a key to unlock a deadbolt lock on the front door and a tape recording of conversations between his wife and the neighbor with whom she was having an affair had been put in a safe deposit box. He also had checked on his homeowner's insurance, something he had not done in several years.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, mm.
Speaker 1:Guilty Arson. Investigators testified that the blaze was started with neatlack, a leather-finishing liquid that is flammable. The investigators identified a poor pattern covering four feet at the doorway between the kitchen and the hallway. The jury heard testimony that an accelerant detecting canine named Blaze had alerted 12 times to the presence of the accelerant inside the house, even though laboratory tests of the samples where Blaze, the dog, alerted were negative. So the dog alerted samples were negative. There's a little something, something there. Was it there or was it not? Carr was convicted. So he was convicted of murder, arson and eavesdropping on May 10, 1994. He was acquitted of hitting his wife as the judge prepared to sentence Carr, who did not testify at the trial, said he was innocent and that he was hoping to salvage his marriage. He denied ever striking her. Carr was then sentenced to life in prison. Striking her. Carr was then sentenced to life in prison. After the trial, carr's lawyers authorized further testing on the prosecution's evidence by fire scientists, including John somebody on the nation's preeminent fire investigator, one of the nation's. Oh my gosh, it's on two different lines and I just went down to the next one, don't laugh at me. Anyway, the test showed that the cause of the blaze was electrical and that after it caused the bathroom to explode in flames, the fire came through the breakfast area doorway and the radiation burned the floor, causing the poor pattern, not the neat black. The wick in quotes of newspapers cited by Grace was discredited because there was no fire damage to the linoleum or hardwood floors where the trail of newspapers allegedly had been laid.
Speaker 1:On appeal, carr's lawyers argued that the evidence relating to the K-9 alerts was improperly admitted and that the prosecutor, grace, had committed misconduct. They argued that Grace had an unauthorized entry. Remember I said when she let like news crews in? So they alleged that Grace had made an unauthorized entry into Carr's home to allow CNN to film footage for a feature on Grace. That she had helped engineer another unauthorized entry into the home by fire investigators, investigators that she suppressed evidence that Patricia Carr's lover and Patricia Carr's best friend, both of whom were witnesses, had entered into a romantic relationship by the time of the trial. I don't know what that means, but anyway. So they're saying she withheld information.
Speaker 1:On March 10, 1997, the Georgia Supreme Court overturned Carr's convictions and ordered a new trial. The court agreed that the accelerant sniffing dog evidence was improperly entered into evidence because there was no evidence of any verification that the dog alerts were accurate, partially criticized Grace, saying that she had engaged in extensive, inappropriate and in some instances illegal conduct, but did not cite that misconduct as a cause for reversal. So in 1997, on December 13th 1997, when the case was still had still not come to trial for a second time, carr was freed on bond. Trial for a second time. Carr was freed on bond. So they were reporting was freed on bond.
Speaker 1:Fulton County District Attorney said he was awaiting a report from the independent analyst who was reviewing the evidence. The expert was not hired until 2001. So that was like four years later. So nearly six years later, on May 19, 2003, the Superior Court judge dismissed the prosecution for failing to bring the case back to trial. So that's when he got out the defense finding that the fire was the result of an electric malfunction convincing. But the circumstantial evidence the removal of the items, clothing etc. Suggests Carr set the fire. So in January 2004, the Supreme Court overturned the dismissal of the case. So they overturned that part On June 28th 2004, which is when I would have been there because I started early in 2004,. The Supreme Court rejected that appeal.
Speaker 2:And that's when you had the media showing up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, following the decision, carr for the first time described what happened. He said he went to bed first and that his wife was applying neat lack to a pair of sandals. He said he was awakened by the smell of smoke and when he opened the bedroom door there was an explosion of smoke. He said his wife panicked and was thrashing about as he tried to get them out through a window. He said she broke away and then he could not find her. He decided that if he stayed all you would find is two dead people. That's when he jumped out of the window. I say he did it. Yeah, so, and then another article I'm not going to read. It went into more detail about why it was dismissed and stuff, because there were three key people who basically died. Does the arson investigator died in the meantime of the second, or you know, the retrial or whatever his mom. I don't think she died, but I think she had you know, couldn't remember things dementia.
Speaker 1:So she couldn't recall things Dementia, so she couldn't recall things and then also the house had been sold and torn down in the meantime. So he got really lucky.
Speaker 2:So there were all these little technicalities like I said, did I ever tell you? I don't think I mentioned it on the podcast. Well, you know, I always watch these documentaries. Yes, I know, you know, I've always these documentaries.
Speaker 1:Yes, I know, you know, I've always been obsessed.
Speaker 2:I love all of those murder mystery, documentary type things I didn't mention on here. Did I Tell me if I did, because I can't remember when I was watching the show Snap? I don't think, I don't know, keep going. So I was watching the show Snap Because you're always watching the show because you're always watching the show.
Speaker 2:Snap one night and they started telling the story and the girl's name was um tara clue, which I and I thought that's interesting. I took art lessons, you know, in the 80s, with the girl named tara clue. We both went to Daniel High School, mm-hmm, you know thinking that, but I was like that's odd coincidence, right. And then they said she was an art historian.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:In like somewhere like Boston or somewhere Mm-hmm, and I was like, well, that's interesting. I think she did study art, history was her major, and then they interviewed her father, which lives in Clemson, south Carolina, and you were like God, that's her.
Speaker 1:Was she the one that snapped no, oh she got.
Speaker 2:So she had never been married and she got married to a guy that had been married, that had two children, and there was a big custody battle. So they were flying or had rented a car, had flown outside of it to Atlanta, I think his ex-wife and her new husband lived in Atlanta or outside of Atlanta. He was a police officer. The ex-wife's new husband lived in Atlanta or outside of Atlanta yeah, he was a police officer. The ex-wife's new husband and they went to pick up the children and they were coming to South Carolina for a holiday maybe Thanksgiving or something and they shot and killed Tara and her husband, put them in the trunk of the car and set fire to it.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, so the person that shot them was a police officer, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:And her husband's ex-wife.
Speaker 1:Dang.
Speaker 2:They killed them together. I mean it's crazy. And so then you know, I was like Just never know when you might offer me. Her grandmother was the nurse at our family doctor in. Clemson. So I, you know I Googled it and pulled it all up, but I'm like it's so sad because she was like a really really sweet person.
Speaker 1:You just never know, you never know, never know.
Speaker 2:You might off me one day. No, it'd be too messy.
Speaker 1:You'll be like it was an accident. A shelf fell over at the warehouse, Crushed them. No, you'll take care of yourself that is so great, but in that crap I mean so obviously we don't know what really happened there. I mean you can say by, you know there's both sides he killed he. Yeah, he killed her. Knowing him, can I say that I mean I don't. I still didn't even figure out.
Speaker 2:if he was, you can have an opinion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I still didn't figure out if he's still living or not, but just knowing him personality-wise.
Speaker 2:You could see him doing it.
Speaker 1:And the way he would snap.
Speaker 2:No pun intended.
Speaker 1:Or just get very angry over the, the little thing you know. Like you could tell he had a temper. Let's say that way. So re, after you know, reading that it was because she was having an affair and that sort of thing, I could see it happening I could see it.
Speaker 2:I think he did it. Yeah, so I don't know. I think it's interesting in that article how miss nancy grace screwed up everything. Yeah, sounds like she did a lot wrong.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and there's another article that was the best one that kind of summarized it, but there's even more articles, if you look it up, that go into both sides.
Speaker 2:I'm not a big fan of Nancy Grace. I just don't like her voice. That's what I don't like about her, I know.
Speaker 1:Interfacial expressions and her yelling or something I don't know Like.
Speaker 2:It's like a fake.
Speaker 1:I never even liked her, like, as I don't want to say as a kid, but like years ago. I feel like she was the first one in news to make everything overly dramatic.
Speaker 2:She's too animated with it. It seems very fake and not genuine to me at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I don't like, and making it over the top, for not that it you know anyway.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she'll you know. And just the way she says things like how dare he yeah?
Speaker 1:That sounds just like her.
Speaker 2:You know, it's just like oh gosh. So I mean you would, you would think where she made it. You know, I mean she's obviously been very successful and had a great career, but you would think she would have been a stellar prosecutor.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:You would think or DA or whatever her title was to make it, but no, it doesn't appear she was yeah.
Speaker 1:Um, it doesn't appear that way, so I put up a little question box on my Instagram today. Oh Lord, kind of an interesting question. I want to see how you address it. What do you think you'll be doing 10 years from now?
Speaker 2:Oh, I know what I think we'll be doing. What do you think we'll be doing? I think we will. I think.
Speaker 1:This is one of those questions I never you know. That's a pretty common question, like in school what do you want to do 10 years from now? What do you want to be doing? I feel like that's a pretty common question.
Speaker 2:I think we'll still be working.
Speaker 1:Always hate this question personally.
Speaker 2:I think we'll still be working. We may own the retail stores, we may not. We may own the retail stores, we may not, but I think most of our time and efforts will be more on the wholesale side. You think so.
Speaker 1:In 10 years? Yeah, more online, wholesale Mm-hmm, yeah, mm-hmm. I don't know where we'll be in 10 years because if I think back 10 years ago, I would have never thought I would be sitting here 10 years later with what we have and podcasts and Instagram, like doing Instagram every day live sales. I would have never, ever pictured myself doing what I do now.
Speaker 1:I mean, I picture myself having retail stores because I already had one we had two 10 years ago having retail stores because I already had one we had two 10 years ago but just the way it's changed in 10 years with social media, with online, and I feel like it's going to change even more.
Speaker 2:Like you know, as technology changes even faster, who knows what will be done. If I'm on this side of the grass which I hope I am You'll be 61, 10 years from now. I'll still be working. Yeah, you just had a birthday too. By the way, I did have a birthday Last.
Speaker 1:Thursday.
Speaker 2:Had a great birthday weekend, mm-hmm. Yeah, 51 now.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Definitely up in my 50s now.
Speaker 1:All up in your 50s. Mm-hmm. So 10 years from now, you think more on the wholesale side.
Speaker 2:And we may still be involved on the retail too. I think so.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think it all goes hand in hand.
Speaker 1:I think we will grow the wholesale side and online side and distribution side to help grow our retail side. I think it will just become a bigger package deal. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I always want a retail out. I like having that Right.
Speaker 1:Another question I got that I haven't mentioned in a long time is did I decide not to change my Instagram name? No, I'm still changing my Instagram name. I just haven't. I have one in mind, but also so I can't say it because I don't want someone else to take it Not that they would, but you know, you just never know. But I also want it to kind of be a whole little package, like I want a website that goes with it so it can have like a blog set I want to create. Here's what I want to do. We've talked about this. I just got to get it executed as the thing. I want to have my Instagram name changed and then I want it to have a website handle that matches, so that that can be the hub for everything. So like if you're like, oh, I want to know about their Airbnb, they can go to that website and get directed to that. Oh, I want to shop online, you can go to that website and still get direct, like you can find everything Retail stores, everything yeah.
Speaker 1:Podcast. Yeah, from podcast to Florida Airbnb, to our Hilton Head Airbnb to your Airbnb to retail stores.
Speaker 1:Like I feel like I want to develop this hub is my goal, because we have different things going on, like, oh, what's? Your podcast is one name and then my handle is another name and then our stores are a different name, so that, oh, I can go to this and find anything that's related to us on there and then have little you know, like blog posts and that, oh, I hit the table again. You keep doing that and I'm not editing it out because I don't have time this week.
Speaker 2:Stop it. This is a raw.
Speaker 1:I'm doing no editing. It's adding the introduction and the I'll try not to pass, so don't do anything because I don't have time to edit this week, but I want to create a hub for us, me and us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we've talked about it with one company Right, and so I want to have someone develop that, but we've just had so much going on. Yeah, it needs to happen when there's not so many moving parts, right.
Speaker 1:So hopefully that's a later spring get started to sometimes summer long type thing. But I just want it all done right. Everything buttoned up together is let's that. So I am going to still change my Instagram name, all right. So I think we're pulling up to our destination today.
Speaker 2:I thought they didn't ask any other question.
Speaker 1:Well, they did, but we'll pick up in another episode.
Speaker 2:Oh we got to go.
Speaker 1:We got a warehouse to move, I know, we are in the middle of moving the warehouse. We ain't got time for no long road trip. We ain't going cross country no.
Speaker 2:We need to do a cross country.
Speaker 1:We do. We do need to do a cross country I want to go back to Vegas. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like Gail we need to do, like Oprah and Gail we need, can we?
Speaker 1:get a driver that drives us though.
Speaker 2:What? And we just sit in the back, and we sit in the back.
Speaker 1:Like one of those luxury sprinter vans and then we could sit in the back and record the podcast while someone else drives us, and that gives us something else to talk about. We can be like can you believe they're driving like this?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Slow down, speed up, pull over. Can you stop hitting those potholes? Pull over, I need to pee.
Speaker 1:That's how I want to go on a road trip A long one. Someone else drive, and I want a luxury vehicle like a Sprinter van or an RV or something. I'd rather be in a van, though, because those RVs like people riding in the back of those RVs. Those aren't nothing but little plywood boxes or something, I think.
Speaker 1:They have a rat? Yeah, I don't know. Well, we're here. Okay, get out. Remember to leave us a review wherever you're listening to your podcast. I noticed we've gotten in some reviews lately, but come on, y'all Give us more reviews. We certainly appreciate it. I get a report every week and it's like oh, you've got so many reviews. Definitely appreciate that. No matter where you're listening to your podcast, leave us a review, whether it's star review, written review, and remember to share us with your friends. Is that our exit?
Speaker 2:music as you pull up on your phone.
Speaker 1:That's something else. I would have edited it out, but I'm not going to. He decided to open what? Facebook? Oh, instagram, while I'm over here wrapping it up.
Speaker 2:Yep, all right, tell him bye. Okay, bye y'all, we'll see you next week.